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WTF is up with the Census?

This REALLY EFFING pisses me off. The census is pretty clearly designed to further someone’s personal agenda and not to actually gather data. See below.

Questions:

  • Why are Latinos separated out as a race?
  • Why are Latinos merged with White in question 9?
  • Why are there only 14 races listed when there are clearly many more
  • What makes those 14 races special?
  • Why are all European and Eastern Asian races grouped into White but certain Asian races are separated? I know some Asians will say because they hate each other or at have history with each other but if that’s the argument maybe you should consider the history of white races attacking, destroying and ruling each other.

It seems to me the only *correct* way to do this would be just have 10 blank lines as in

Computers can figure out mis-spellings if they are even statistically significant. That census would actually give useful data. The real census above does not. It’s been designed purposely to get the result someone wants to further their political agenda, not to find out the true make up of the population. That really pisses me off.

I don’t know how to get this changed. Of course it’s too late for 2010 unless there is some kind of class action lawsuit but we need to get this shit fixed. Either that or drop the damn race questions altogether. :-(

  • Blake

    There do seem to be some issues with this census form. I can understand what they were trying to do with regards to the Hispanic/Latino issue. However, it has not only caused confusion, but some Hispanics think there is something sinister going on. The problem stems from confusion over the terms race and ethnicity. In taxonomy, race means a subspecies, but we are all Homo sapiens sapiens, so all humans are of a single race.

    In 20th century anthropology, there are only 3 to 5 races depending on who you talk to. The 5 race categories are Caucasoid (White), Congoid (Black), Capoid (Blacks from SE Africa – aka Bushmen), Mongoloid (Asians – including American Indians), and Australoid (Aboriginal Australians). However, many contend that there are really only three races: Asian, Black and White, with all others being a mixture of two or more.

    The problem with considering Hispanics to be a race rather than an ethnicity is because Hispanics can be of any race. Consider Sammy Sosa. He is a Black Hispanic. A Mayan living in Mexico is an Asian Hispanic, and many Hispanics are clearly White. As for Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc…they are different ethnicities, but they are all Asian in terms of race. Because of these issues, many would like to drop the term race all together and just refer to people’s ethnicity. However, that approach has problems as well. I think the people at the census are doing the best they can with a difficult and often touchy situation.

  • http://greggman.com gman

    The census is not really concerned with real definition of the word “race”. It’s concerned with things like “which languages do we need to provide services in” and “what cultures have a large enough population that we need to think about supporting that culture”. So, using the 3-5 race thing in the census would have no useful meaning.

    I’m also personally unclear on how Chinese are similar to Indians (as in India). Both are from Asia, they appear to share no similar traits. Similarly there are plenty of Latino’s as dark as Indians, how are they considered Caucasoid.

    I don’t think the census is doing a good job at all. It’s polarizing. It gives Asians special treatment by letting them chose a country of cultural origin (though it’s missing lots of choices) but it doesn’t to the same for others. My high school neighborhood is now nearly completely middle eastern and yet none of those countries are even on the list. None of the European countries are there either. I person coming from Croatia is going to have vastly different needs than a person coming from England. That’s info the census needs to be gathering, not the BS info it’s gathering now.

  • http://Fark.com JerryB

    Exactly what purposes the Federal Gov’t has for these distinctions cannot be known. For this reason, and others, I will never complete a census form.
    They do, however, try to make it as clear as they can, in anticipation of retards like yourself, who cannot understand something as simple as Question 9 MAY have ONE answer (or more).
    BTW, there are 3 main races (several others are irrelevant to the US census – tiny populations in Africa). The 3 are caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid. Pick one. Any lesser distinction is a tribe. The definition of the word has been abused so much that its real meaning is lost in popular culture. The concept of race does not even exist, if you ask an anthropologist or geneticist, because those two “professions” are, and have historically been, politically “sensitive”.

  • Jeff

    If we really want to get beyond race, how about we stop bringing it up in everything?

    How about just one race, AMERICAN.

  • Matt Duncan

    There are black Hispanics, white Hispanics, etc. as named above. The concept of race isn’t biological, anyway – it’s social. “Hispanic” has more to do with which “native peoples” were displaced and then assimilated into the colonizing “European people,” who were from a cross-cultural zone made up of “whites” and “Moors” from Africa.

    The old “there are 5 races” concept is dated. And the term “caucasoid” isn’t useful in dealing with anything having to do with skintone – it’s about the size and shape of a skull found near the Caucasus mountains – it was assumed by the (obviously prejudiced and white European) scientists who discovered it that it “fit best” with the origins of “white folks” because it had a larger cranial cavity.

    Basing “race” on skintone, or even skull structure, is using a single cosmetic biological trait for comparison. Many African ethnic groups have more biologically in common with pale-skinned Northern Europeans than with other “black” ethnic groups from distant parts of Africa.

    I think you answered your own question, though, about the purpose of the question. I think the government gives itself an “out,” as it were, by 1) allowing you to choose more than one answer, and 2) having an “other” section where you can write in the way you choose to self-identify.

    In many ways, this, too, is the purpose of the question (and the census) – to track the way in which Americans self-identify. It also reflects which ethnic groups have the strongest (or rather most vocal) lobbies and political sway.

  • http://twitter.com/jlist Peter Payne

    I noticed this with a textbook I used to use when teaching ESL to my J-students. Basically, white Americans count hispanic as part of their group when they want to feel like a big, powerful group. It will get worse in the future.