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A.I.

Did you see A.I. yet? What did you think? I saw the 1:20am Saturday night. It’s now 5am.

*** WARNING *** SPOILER ALERT
Don’t read on if you don’t want any spoilers.

So, what did you think? Me, overall I liked it. It’s not awesome. I don’t think I’d buy it on DVD for example. It doesn’t feel like a multi-watch moive although it might be neat to see a few of the effects scenes again.

It was interesting reading Ebert’s review. He basically claims in his review that robots can’t love, they are just machines and so he could never actually have any real sympathy for David, the main character.

I don’t agree with that idea at all. Just because something has been created by Man doesn’t mean it’s not sentient or that it’s not feeling real emotions or even that it’s not a *being* deserving all the same protections that other sentient beings deserve.

I had this disscussion with one of my dates. When you simulate a building in a computer that’s clearly a simulation, not an actually building. But, if you successfully simulate thinking in a computer, is that a simulation of thinking or is it actually thinking? I contend that it’s actually thinking.

So then the question becomes, if it’s actually thinking, then is turning it off murder? If not why? Obviously those that are religious would say basically “because it doesn’t have a sole” but those who are not religious it would seem would have to come up with some reason why a bunch of chemicals in the form of a brain running some process known as “conscieness” are more important than a computer running the same process.

Anyway, back to the movie. I thought Haley Joel Osment, the kid, did a great job playing a not quite human robot kid. He was pretty creepy. Also, it did bring up quite a few interesting issues with the safety stuff. If you had an artifical kid and a real kid and they got in a fight and the real kid got hurt would you have the artifical kid destroyed like a bad dog?

The Rouge City scenes were kind of neat thought after the movie I got to thinking, which will come first, robot love machines or can’t tell from the real world sensory VR? In the movie it’s assumed that robot lovers would be better than real (which I agree) but real VR (of the Star Trek Holodeck kind) would be even better if not downright addicting.

It was also really neat to see New York underwater and stuff though of course baloney. First, I believe that even the people that believe if the world heats up and the ice caps melt that it will only be 30 feet or so. Although that would be New York underwater it would only be the first 3 stories of the buildings that are at sea level. There are hills in New York so than means not even all of Manhatten would be underwater. Second, according to this guy, the geological record shows that when the tempature goes up the ocean level does NOT rise.

The last part of the movie was pretty lame I thought. I pretty much wish it had ended when David went into the Ocean. That seems like the best place to end the movie. Before Joe pulls him out even. I didn’t get the end scenes before they find him. Was it supposed to be New York carved out of ice? It was kind of neat to see but also just to strange and full of the most holes.

  • nikita1971
    I agree,…

    The movie should have ended when David jumped off the ledge. The very end where New York City was all frozen,…remember, that's 2000 years LATER! The part of the aliens and giving David his heart's desire,…that's all Spielberg! Gotta have that happy ending, even if it is bittersweet!

    Haley Joel Osmond is an incredibly gifted young actor! He was perfect for the role! I really enjoyed Jude Law's character *hehe!* but my favorite was watching the scenes with Teddy! So adorable when he's just sitting there, sewing himself back up!

  • greggman
    The original story

    If you want to read the original short story the movie is based on it's posted here.

  • dids
    BORING!!!!

    Yeah Teddy was neat, the rest sucked big time…

    After this and 'Eye Wide Shut' my estime for Kubrick has taken a huge blow.

    The story went everywhere without really going anywhere, not worrying about simple things like consistency or wether it made any sense.

    They couldn't come up with anything to fill the gap between him getting stuck under the sea and getting rescued so they just fade the screen to white and bring the off screen commentator back (who hasn't even said another word since the beginning of the movie).

    Some shots were actually made up just for the visuals (the long panning camera when the guys takes teddy to the lost and found was stupid, why would they even put lost of found miles away from the entrance (erm because we wanted a cool shot…oh ok)

    The ending just dragged on: David's dead, no he's not, yeah he's dead, nope not this time either, ok now he's dead….

    The 'alien things' at the end, they don't speak our language..oh wait a minute this is annoying so out of nowhere: they speak our language!

    Make me a real boy
    We can't make you a real boy but we can bring anyone back.
    OK, bring back my mum.
    Oh.. erm… bummer… ok it's only for one day then…
    why?
    I don't know, we didn't manage to have any convincing explaination for anything else in this movie so why should we have one for this. et's just make something up shall we?

    In short the story treatment made it long an boring film and the filming was very cheap making me wonder if spielberg even really directed it.

    /RANT MODE OFF :o )

    -D

  • greggman
    Not so boring

    I know what you mean. I was pretty much completely un-interested from the point where David jumps in the water. That was the good ending. I only watched the end because I was already at the theater and hadn't seen it before.

    That thing about only 1 day was stupid. As was a robot that can destroy itsself by eating. Either program it not to eat or don't make the throat open into the machinery. Duh!

    Other parts, the guys on bikes rounding up the robots were lame. Not the idea so much but the costumes were really bad. Why would you wear lights all over your body if you where chasing someone? They'd see you coming.

    I didn't mind the long pan. I thought the point was to see that teddy was being walked right by the cage that David was in. It didn't seem that long to me be then maybe I was more into the movie at that point than some others.

    I was kind of hoping at the end (after jumping in the ocean) that it would end up making more sense. Kind of like Star Trek 5. I'm not saying that was a good movie but when I saw it and they met GOD I completely tuned out of the movie (like in A.I.) but after it turned out not to be GOD but just some dude that it wasn't soo stupid, still a bad movie but….

    You're right though, the narrator that only pops in at the end was completely out of place. I wonder if there is a version without that. Like they tested it and end somebody made them put it in. Still…

  • greggman
    A.I. ending

    So I read the reviews on Slashdot and learned something I missed during the movie. Apparently the creatures at the end are not aliens but robots made by humans. There's dialog that backs that up as well as people that claim to know the screenplay details. Now I want to see the last 20 minutes again so I can verify it. That arguably makes the ending alot more interesting though it was still poorly executed and it opens up a whole bunch of questions.

    Although I pretty much believe that if we eventually do make thinking robots they will replace us, just like I can backup a CD it seems like robots should be able to back up thoughts, memories etc so that even the newest robot could have all the memories of the oldest. Of course maybe it's not possible to transfer memories without destroying the current ones.

    Also, that ending is not a Spielberg tack on but part of Kubrick's original ideas according to Slashdot.

  • dids
    I guess…

    …it was still probably worth seeing if anything for most of the visuals.

    -D
    ps: I forgot about the guys on bikes…that was lame.

  • nikita1971
    Original robots,…

    Well, if those were really robots at the end and not aliens…it makes even more sense now! Remember when one of the robots said, "He's an original robot with memories of humans,…"? Maybe those futuristic robots were built by other robots so that's why they were so interested in David! They got to see, thru his memories, who originally created their species!