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Transferring Money From Japan

My friend Lulu recently told me about Lloyds Overseas Remittance Service.

I’ve used a couple of different ways to get money back to the states. Through my own Japanese bank, UFJ, you have to go to one of the main branches, like the Shibuya branch, and then sit in this funky little booth where you do a video conference with someone that will walk you through the process. The booth has a kiosk that is a computer monitor, video conference (camera), ATM, scanner and printer all in one. It was not very fun, it only runs 11am to 2pm or some crazy short hours like that and it was 4000 yen.

Well, the Lloyds service is much easier, at least if you have a Japanese account, maybe even if you don’t. What they do is setup a special account here that if you transfer money too will automatically have that money transferred to a pre-registered bank account of your choice. You can do transfers at most ATMs around Japan. Those ATMs run in Japanese so it can be intimidating to setup the transfer the first time but they give you instructions to hand to a Japanese speaking person if you can’t do it yourself. Also, most ATM systems memorize your info so the next time you’ll just pick the same info from a list and pick “OK”.

That’s far more convienent than the way I was doing it before. Unfortunately it’s not any less expensive at least for me. Lloyds charges 2000 yen, the bank they go through in the states charges $10 and making the local transfer in Japan costs like 650yen. That’s about 3800yen total. If you’re unlucky your final bank will also charge you. Still, at least now I can go down and transfer money at the ATM any time I need to.

If you know of a better and cheaper way please leave a comment! :-)

  • http://www.paypal.com/ Kimuchi
    How about …

    … PayPAL http://www.paypal.com/ ?

  • m00

    Someone mentioned to me that many Indian workers use some sort of cheap service to send money to their family in India from Japan or the US. I don’t know if it could do Japan->US though.

     

  • Ferrarisimo
    It’s called PayPal :)

    I transfer money to a friend of mine who acts as my personal import shop in Japan all the time. It’s painless, quick, and cheap. Try it out.

  • http://www.michaelpanda.com panda
    I suggest using the post office remittance instead!

    love the site!
    there’s a much better (and cheaper!) way of sending money back home if you’re american (or anything other than a Kiwi).  The way I recommend is to do an International Postal Remittance (via the Post Office) – “kokusai soukin” (国際送金).  Basically just go to the main post office in your town (you know, the same one the poor mail man will drag your stuff to instead of dropping it off at the one around the block *laughs* – glad to see I’m not the only one who that happens too!) and ask them (the service is usually available at certain smaller post offices as well). 

    Essentially, for a cost of 500 yen (yeah, only 500!) you can send an amount up to 5 or 8 man home (I forget which).  You pay the post office in yen, then they will print out a special cashier’s check denominated in whatever major currency you specify, and then you just mail it to somebody you trust back home (moms serve well in this stead! :) ).  When I’ve done it, it’s always arrived within 5 days, though you can send it EMS too if you want (though that’s more expensive).  There’s also an electronic remittance version available, though that costs an additional 500 yen.

    The forms you need to fill out are very simple and are written in both Japanese and English.  The whole process takes less than 15 minutes, and it beats having to mess with the ATMs and stupid time limits (the remittance service is available anytime the money windows at the post office are open).  If you want to send home more than the 5 or 8 man per check limit, you can do so, it’s just another 500 yen.

    Another thing I might suggest is (and this is what I’m currently doing) is looking around the post office for an application for a “Citibank World Cash Card” – it’s a blue narrow pamphlet/application form festooned with the Citibank logo and is usually where they keep all the other random bits of paper on the counter.  Basically it’s an international version of your postal account ATM card which you can use both domestically or abroad (it’s tied to your postal account, so if you don’t have one, you’ll have to make one).  What a lot of the other foreigners here do is make this international cash card, ask for two cards, then send one back home to someone they trust (again, time to get on mom’s good side ;) ).  Then, when you want to send money home, all you have to do is (assuming you’ve put it into your postal account here in Japan, which is obviously very easy to do) have them withdraw the amount you want from any ATM back home (using the international pin) then deposit it into your account.  The exchange rate is fantastic (very close to the actual exchange rate for the day) and there’s no service charge, plus you don’t have to go through the whole hassle of a remittance service each month.

    Anyway, I hope this helps you out!  Let me know if you need more help with either of those things.  And I love reading your site – great to see the gadgets you uncover!

    Take it easy!

  • Paul

    You should open an account at Shinsei Bank http://www.shinseibank.com.  You can withdraw money from any city bank, post office, 7-11 anytime free of charge.  All transfers within Japan (furikomi) is free!  You can have a US Dollar based account along with Yen, Euro, etc.  Then you can build up a good amount when rates are good and transfer a big lump at once.  It costs 2000 yen to transfer, just like Lloyds, but you save the furikomi money. Internet banking there is great too!

  • anonymousTroy

    Yeah, I mainly used the international postal service money draft thing too. You can also pay US credit cards with that no prob.

    The exchange rate spread is/was reasonable, too.

    But there is a 7-man limit, at least as of 2000.

  • Zehgerman

    Well I suggest you use http://www.pay2.net for money transfers, it works like a global bank and you can reach you money whereever you are, one other solution is http://www.e-gold.com where your money is transfered into gold and wont loose any worth because of currency exchange.

  • http://www.japannewbie.com harvey
    Whoa

    Wow, I have been using Lloyds too… The Shinsei Bank deal sounds great though… I’ll have to give that a look next time I have free time when the banks are actually open…

    Like never.

  • Lulu

    Actually, I mentioned the Post Office thing too.  Just forgot to bring you the form for that the same day.  Sorries. ;(  It takes about a week though while Lloyd’s is faster. Didn’t know the end cost would be so high though. I’ve been doing it through the post office–only works until 3 pm though. 

  • http://blog.greggman.com greggman
    Paypal no go?

    I signed up for a Japanese paypal account thinking I could transfer month with that but as far as I can tell I can’t.  The Japanese paypal doesn’t support any kind of billpay service so I can’t pay my bills nor does there appear to be anyway to send payments to my credit card company or bank. :-(

  • http://www.shock-e.com Justin
    PayPal does *not* work

    The only way PayPal will work for instant transfers is if you have a Japanese credit card.  I signed up for a PayPal account thinking the same thing.  You can connect PayPal to your Japanese bank account (maybe…I had a lot of trouble getting it to recognize that my account was indeed Japanese), but to do money transfers you need to have a credit card hooked up to it.  In Japan you have to have lived here for over a year I believe to even get a credit card, so for many gaijin it’s not possible to use PayPal at all.  Alas.  I use the Postal account service.  It’s pretty much the cheapest way to go, and though it takes longer than Lloyd’s, it’s about 1/4 the price. 

    Oh this post is really old.  Haw.  Guess no one will read it…

  • http://blog.greggman.com greggman
    I read it

    I read it.  Yea, I tried to use Paypal, I signed up but as far as I can tell it doesn’t work.  I could find no way to pay off my American bills with it.   You can’t use Billpay unless you have an American paypal account as far as I can tell.

  • http://fish.zapto.org fish
    moneybookers.com

    Works quite well for me, small charges (0.5 euro or equivalent), although your bank might charge you to transfer money to/from that system. It costs me about 2,500 each time with SMBC:/

  • http://www.geocities.com/svrkprabhakar PrabhakarSVRK
    money transfer to India

    Thanks a lot Panda. I checked your suggestions and I think it is an easy way of doing through postoffice. I also obtained one application for JAL international cash card which I wish to send to my parents. One thing is that you need to de-mark the amount you wish to use abroad before your parents start withdrawing the same. Hope it helps.

    Regards

    Prabhakar

  • B
    cheap Post Office solution………

    The cheapest way I have found is at the Japanese Post Office you can get a Kokusi Kawase Shosho, which is an international money order (up to 300,000yen per money order) available in major currencies and send it yourself for about 500yen. Thay also have a very informative bi-lingual pamplet you can request.

  • Vijay
    how is money received?

    B,Panda :

    Can you please let me know how payment is received once it is sent.For example, I send international money order from here. Will it be received in cash at our relatives or friends place in india? or do they receive a money order receipt and they have to go and collect?

    Has anyone tried this service for india?

    Many thanks.

  • aaron
    An update for teh web crawlers

    The Post office money order system was always the cheapest way to send money, just 500yen for the money order. 110 yen for a stamp to america and in 3-7days the money would arrive. This April, the japanese postal system was privatized by Koizumi and the rates now jumped to 2500 yen for every money order. so i suppose you are saving money, but now its not as much as it was, so we have to send money in bulk.

  • jyamamo
    Exchange rate of transfer

    So far, people have only discussed the issue of transferring money from a Japanese account to one in another country/currency in terms of the handling charge. It seems to me that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Far more important – especially if one is sending large amounts – is the exchange rate.

    If I recall correctly, the post office simply used to check the exchange rate for that day and convert the money from yen into dollars or whatever at that rate, with no percentile or commission. Is that still the case the case these days?

    Lloyds, on the other hand, is currently offering an exchange rate of 214.46 yen to the pound sterling, whereas http://www.xe.com/ucc/ gives today’s rate as 211.145 yen to the pound. If one was sending a million yen that would add up to a difference of 65 pounds sterling ($120). I may be wrong, but I believe Lloyds also charges a commission of 2000 yen per currency exchange.

    Can anyone confirm which method offers the best *overall* value, including both handling charges and exchange rates?

    John

  • johnl
    Sending money overseas

    I opened another bank account. You have to open one that gives you an international cash card. Keep the deposit book and send the card overseas. Deposit money with your Deposit book and email the person who is going to withdraw the money in another country. That person then takes it out of an ATM. This works well for small sums sent regularly. It is not worth the time spent setting up an account if you are only going to send one payment.

    John

  • Myrna
    exchange from the dollar to the yen

    I have been trying to find on the internet the exchange rate from the dollar to the yen.  I would like to send a friend money for his birthday and want to know what would, for instance, 10 U.S. dollars be worth to the yen and what could that amount buy?

    Would exchanging it here in the U.S. bring a higher rate to the yen, as opposed to exchanging it in Japan?  Will using the U.S. Postal Service(if it is offered here) be just as it was suggested on this site, be better and safer, or just send the money in the mail or as a money order be the best bet, letting my friend exchange the money himself?  Would a money order be recognized in Japan.

    Thank You

    P.S. – Any response would be appreciated.

     

  • http://blog.greggman.com greggman
    Currency Exchange Rate

    http://www.xe.com/ucc/

    Of course that is the *main* rate. Each bank charges fees and usually a percent of the amount.

  • AnainUSA
    My husband had a mistake in Citibank wire transfer.Is that possible?

    This is the 5th time my husband been wiring money from Citibank Japan to my US account. Now, I called him since I haven’t receive the money yet.Usually takes a day to send from Citibank. Now, he said the reason why I haven’t got the money is he made a mistake in sending to my bank account number. He use the telephone in transferring money to my account. Is it possible to make a mistake? Is there no computer programming where you name and account number is input for the first time you sent or you have to call and just give the account number again. Pls. help if you know something like  our situation.Thanks.

    Ana

  • KH
    I think i got jibbed hardcore

    I exchanged 6,000AUD, XE.com said the AUD was 1 for 88 yen yet my bank exchanged 1AUD for 78 yen.

    I didn’t think it was that bad, until i added up the end cost now. They took around $700AUD from me :(

  • mikefukui
    Payal in Japan…

    Yea the JP pay pal is one directional… US —> JP bank. Hooking up the JP bank sint the problem its getting it to sent out the cash. Not sure how the CC works. Id like to know who gives one out after one year have to check my bank… but they have been rather unrespnsive.

  • http://- ChrispyT
    Remittance worries

    Hello everyone.

    On Friday 24th of November I got a remittance done in Tokyo (marunouchi mega post office)

    I was leaving Japan and needed my money sent over quickly. I had a lot of bags with me and was in a bit of a state. I don’t think I fully understood how the remittance thing worked. Basically, I want to know – What sort of recourse do I have if I lose the receipt to my money order (which I have done)  and the remittance card never gets to it’s mailing address (which is mine, here in Australia).

    I am FREAKING out about the card not arriving.
    I’ve been waiting just over a week for the card to arrive. My brother sent a coupla boxes of souvenirs EMS and one arrived in just 2 days, the other in 4 days.

    Sincerely freaking out,

    Chris Toland.

  • tia
    question

    does lloyds send scheuled wire transfers, i want to send money to my us account from my japan account, but i wont be in japan to do it, i will be on vacation!!

     

    this is so fustrating

  • http://blog.greggman.com greggman

    It is very frustrating.

    Sorry, but I don’t know a good way to get money to Japan. My way was I signed up for an expensive “Personal Banking for Overseas Employees“ Citibank account. They renamed it “Global Executive Banking”. I would then have money sent to that bank in the USA and could then have them transfer it to Japan. It’s not cheap though. At the time it was $22 a month + wire costs.

    But, unlike most banks, this division deals soley with these international issues so generally they have more of a clue

  • Christophe
    Any news on this?

    Has anyone recently found a better solution to this issue?

    So summary right now seems that:

    - PayPal is a no go (can’t tie it to a bank account in Japan)

    - post office now charges about 3000 yen for wire transfers

    - Citibank World Cash Card seems like too much of a hassle (service only in Japanese and possible high fees)

  • erin
    Sent money today

    I used the post office to send money today to America by international money order.  As of October 1st, the “official” change to the new privatized system has taken effect.  The price remains at 2000 yen per transfer, even for small transfers.  It still seems the cheapest way.  They give you the money orders after you finish the transaction, and ask you to please use EMS to send it.  EMS costs 1200 yen, but you can easily put it into your own envelope and send it by regular mail, saving yourself more than 10 US dollars.

    The biggest change since last month’s renewal was some of the stuff printed at the bottom of the form, but nothing important.  It took an hour this time, as I think they had a new rule book to look through to make sure all of the regulations were followed correctly.  (It usually takes 20 minutes out here.)  Hopefully it will go more quickly next month when they see me again.

    I’d love to know a CHEAPER way to send money, too.

  • http://www.japanwithkids.org CK
    sending money to the USA from Japan

    I used to get a check in dollars (for Y2500 from any Japanese bank) and just mail it to my bank in the USA with regular airmail.

    Then I opened a Citibank account. With a Citibank account you could get traveler’s checks from Citibank for 1% plus of course embedded exchange rate fees.

    So if I was sending only a little money (where 1% would be less than Y2500) I would just get some TX and mail those, instead of a bank check.

    The rub is that sending anything by regular mail these days is risky. Some countries very risky, others not so risky. But international wire fees add up. Lloyd’s does the transfer by wire to USA for Y2000, but through a bank in NYC that charges another $10 USD and then the receiving bank also usually slaps on another $8 or $10 charge.

    The post office remittance used to be a good deal though the exchange rates were often not quite as good as the bank. But now it costs more.

    Citbank has slightly different exchange rates than Bank of Japan (which is the guide that all of the Japanese banks use, including Shinsei).

    I have once changed cash yen once I was already in the USA. I shopped around by phone (unlimited local calling). I found a place in DC that I was able to bargain with. I told them that so and so down the road just gave me a rate of xxx but if they could do a bit better, I’d go there. And they did. It turned out to be a good trade for me. But for amounts less than say $2000 worth or so, they don’t want to have their time wasted. Or maybe I got lucky and they just happened to be low on yen cash that day.

    All I can say is thank god I don’t have to deal with banks in South America. They are the rip off centers of western banking system. You may think that Y2500 or so in fees at Japanese bank is high, in Chile, or Argentina, the receiving end charges astronomical fees. I have too many friends who lost 33 or more % of their remittance to fees going to those places.

  • Vince
    Any updates?

    So any other ideas on how to send money from Japan to an overseas account? So far it sounds like sending from the post office is the best and cheapest way…

  • NH
    Sending money from Japan to Australia

    Hi all,

    I was hoping someone could help me – I’ve read these posts, not sure how much the info has changed or not, but it’s been very helpful.

     

    But what I want to know is do you need a PASSPORT for ID to do this? Or, better put, can I send money from Japan to Australia (a bank or private – it doesn’t matter) without having to show ID.

     

    This is actually research for a film script I’m writing – I’m not trying to do anything dodgy! (Though my character is!)

     

    Oh, one more caveat – it’s a small town. So it would have to be a bank or post office as there isn’t much else there that would have sophisticated exchange facilities.

    Would appreciate any advice and help!

    Thank you.

  • Terry
    Transferring Money from Japan to the US

    Hey Everyone!

    Can anyone update us on the best method on transferring money from Japan to the US?  Did anyone open an account with Shinsei Bank?  Does it work?

    Thank you so much!  

  • Sara
    update

    To reiterate what Erin said, the best and cheapest way to send money from Japan to the U.S. is through Japanese post office money orders. The postal bank is usually open 9 am – 4 pm. You don’t have to go to the main branch – many smaller branches have this service too. The exchange rates are good, and they charge Y2000 per transaction. The money orders only go up to $700, but it’s still only Y2000 no matter how many money orders are needed. For example, if you are sending $1,600, it will be 3 separate money orders ($700 + $700 + $200), but the fee is still only Y2000. I usually wait until I have a large amount to send, because of that. I think they have a limit of $3,000 per transaction, but I’m not sure, I’ve never sent more than that.

    You can get a money order to an address or to a bank account. I always get the money order to an address because I’ve heard getting it to an account is more hassle. You just write down a person’s (example: mom) name and address.

    The money orders are just little forms with the amount and the to/from names and addresses. You then mail the paper to that person however you like (EMS is most secure, but also most expensive) and they deposit it into your account when they receive it. Technically, the U.S. bank first cashes the money order, then deposits the cash into your U.S. account. No problems so far.

    Sorry, I don’t know if it’s the same for UK or AUS.

  • CassChristen
    almost no cost but …

    This way you don’t have to worry about paying a third party. But it does require some Japanese. I have a bank account with Mizuho. When I opened my account, I asked for an international account. However, you have to open 2 accounts. Your salary has to be deposited into Japanese bank account and companies can withdraw your bills from that account. But you can transfer money from your Japan account to your international account, that’s the part that requires some Japanese. The first time is a bit tricky, but once you’ve done it the first, it’s not too difficult. It doesn’t cost you anything. You just have to have someone withdraw the money from your international account and deposit it in your local bank (mom). It doesn’t cost anything, you just have to worry about the exchange rate.

  • mimisadina
    Mizuho International Account

    HI CassChristen,

    “You just have to have someone withdraw the money from your international account and deposit it in your local bank (mom). ” <– How does yr mum withdraw the money? Do u pass yr ATM card to yr mum or we can give some sort of electronic authorization to the person who we want to withdraw our maney?

  • Matt
    Transfering funds from Japan while in US

    Hello,

    Apologies if this has already been addressed, but I am looking for a method to receive funds in the US from a Japanese company that I work for. I previously lived in Tokyo and had my pay deposited into Tokyo Mitsubishii. When I moved back to the US, I used GoLloyds to transfer funds from my account to a US account. However, Tokyo Mitsu. is now telling me that I will have issues accessing my account because I am not a Japanese resident. Is there an alternative method that my employer could use to directly or indirectly remit money to me here in the States? I don’t think they would want to bother with the post office sokin solution.  

  • KoiMaxx
    Still confused

    Speaking of sending via Japan Postal Money Order… I thought there was supposed to be a piece of paper that Im supposed to send to whoever I need to send it to, but now it seems they send it electronically. My problem now is, Im requesting for a government document from my home country and they require that I enclose the money order along with my application forms. What am I supposed to send them now? Do I just send them my transaction receipt? If I apply for the above money order, its gonna take 3 weeks (Ive counted) for them to receive it and of course it would obviously arrive separate from my forms, when I could just FedEx(tm) everything so they can receive it much sooner (its quite urgent). Tasukete kure (Please help me)

  • aaaaammmmmeeeee

    will you send money to me, i have a pay pal account.

  • sns
    money

    Is there any posibility that i can send money to home address via post office and how much it will cost me.

  • Mikael
    exchange rates

    I saw some comment about getting ripped with the exchange rates but apart from that nothing… I don’t know about Japan in particular, but banks usually give you a crappy exchange rate and if you’re transferring a lot of money then this quickly becomes much more significant than the fixed cost.

    So if anyone has an idea of where to go to get the best exchange rate in addition to a low fee, that would be awesome.

  • Joe
    postal money order now 2000 yen

    One casuality of the privatization of postal services in Japan is the demise of cheap international postal money orders. The price has gone up from 500 yen to 2000 yen per money order.

  • krist
    Confused !

    Im gonna send some cash to Norway using International Postal Remittance but I wanna know how is it received. Is it gonna be received in cash or something else ?

    or do they receive a money order receipt and they have to go and collect?

    I guess somebody had asked the same question before but couldn’t find an answer to that so if anyone knows, I’m terribly looking forward to it.

    Thanks a lot.

  • Andre
    T/T Bank Transfer from Japan to HK???Anyone experience???

    Hi everybody.I like to order from a shop in Honk Kong.The only payment method they accept is T/T Bank Tranfer.Does anyone has experience with this.How and where I do it here from Japan.And how much they charge for a transfer.The amount I will sent is around 900$.I have a japanese Postbank,UFJ,and Japan Net Bank.The banks they use to recieve the money is CitiBank HK and Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited.Please can anyone help???

  • LR
    electronic transfer

    Hi. How many minutes or days before the postal electronic transfer from Japan to the USA arrives? Thanks in advance

  • Robert

    You might be interested in a company called Transfermate. It has offices worldwide and bank accounts worldwide. You deposit your money in one of their accounts and they send it to a bank account of your choice overseas. Normally a bank will have a 3% spread in their exchange rate over the international rate. Transfermate usually operates on 1-2% with no other fees. If your transfers are large amounts, the exchange rate is closer to 1%. For 20-30man, this will save more than all the fees people have discussed here.

  • GRV

    I am currently living in Japan and have ‘€’ cash that I wanted to deposit into my Shinsei Bank Account. They told me that I either needed to exchange it into ‘¥’ or wire transfer it. Does anyone know of a wire transfer service within Japan that can wire a large sum of ‘€’ at a reasonable cost to my Shinsei Foreign Currency Savings Account? Maybe, I should just wait until the ‘€’ gets stronger on the ‘¥’ and exchange it? I don’t live too far from Tokyo, so I can conduct a transaction during banking hours with relative ease.

  • Cdmusser

    If you are sending yen from Japan through goLloyds:
    Lloyds TSB in Tokyo now charges an additional 0.1% charge (minimum 1500 yen) on your transfer. This is in addition to the 2000 yen you are already charged as the base fee. Best to find another way.

  • ros

    Hi I am currently in Kyoto Japan, just arrived less than a month ago. Regarding your statement, if I only have account with Japan Post bank, means, the international card is an international version of my jp bank cash card?

  • http://edomeetskyoto.blogspot.com Edo

    Unfortunately, the World Cash Card no longer exists–apparently, since the Post Office Bank now has their own credit card services (specifically with Visa), they no longer offer the Cash Card service through Citibank.

    Fortunately, ending money via postal money order is pretty easy, and there’s an English language pamphlet available at your main branch post office (though in Kyoto, maybe even at your local branch!)